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02/12/2007 03:30 PM Senate RESOURCES


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03:38:25 PM Overview: Cook Inlet Marketing Analysis by Division of Oil and Gas, Department of Natural Resources
04:42:51 PM Adjourn
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Market Analysis of Cook Inlet
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Kevin Banks, Acting Dir., Division of
Oil and Gas
                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
              SENATE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 12, 2007                                                                                        
                           3:34 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Charlie Huggins, Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Bert Stedman, Vice Chair                                                                                                
Senator Lyda Green                                                                                                              
Senator Gary Stevens                                                                                                            
Senator Bill Wielechowski                                                                                                       
Senator Thomas Wagoner                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lesil McGuire                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Presentation: Market Analysis of Cook Inlet Gas                                                                                 
 Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                        
 Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
No previous action to report.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN BANKS, Acting Director                                                                                                    
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented market analysis of Cook Inlet Gas.                                                              
                                                                                                                                
WILL NEBESKY, Commercial Analyst                                                                                                
Division of Oil and Gas                                                                                                         
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, AK                                                                                                                   
POSITION STATEMENT: Discussed the price of Cook Inlet gas.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR CHARLIE HUGGINS called the Senate Resources Standing                                                                    
Committee meeting to order at 3:34:18 PM. Senators Wagoner,                                                                   
Wielechowski,  Stedman, Stevens, Green,  and Huggins  were present                                                              
at the call to order.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
^Overview: Cook  Inlet Marketing Analysis  by Division of  Oil and                                                            
Gas, Department of Natural Resources                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS noted the committee's focus on Cook Inlet.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
KEVIN  BANKS,   Acting  Director,   Division   of  Oil  and   Gas,                                                              
Department  of Natural Resources  (DNR),  said there are  concerns                                                              
about  gas   price,  the  viability   of  the  Agrium   fertilizer                                                              
business, and  the extension  of the  LNG [liquefied natural  gas]                                                              
export license  beyond 2009. He  speculated that if none  of these                                                              
were a  problem, he would  not now be  speaking to  the committee.                                                              
The current  marketplace is represented  by the image of  a funnel                                                              
feeding into  a small tube:  you can only  force so much  gas into                                                              
the marketplace  at any  given time  because it  is driven  by how                                                              
much  consumption  can  occur.  The response  to  that  demand  is                                                              
entirely dependent on the price and the gas producers, he said.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  referred to graph 3  showing a weighted average  of the                                                              
price of gas  paid by the electrical generation  utilities. In the                                                              
last three  to four  years, prices  have doubled  at the  wellhead                                                              
because many older  contracts have terms tied to the  price of oil                                                              
or to the  Henry Hub marker. Increased  oil and gas prices  in the                                                              
lower 48 have driven up the weighted average price, he stated.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:40:02 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said the  Cook Inlet  market is  following that  of the                                                              
lower 48, which  may be good because lower 48 markets  compete for                                                              
new  investments in  Cook Inlet.  The high  prices are  correlated                                                              
with  new  activity  in  the  basin.  Residential  and  commercial                                                              
amounts to  less than one third  of Cook Inlet gas usage,  and two                                                              
thirds goes to  industrial users, which include the  LNG plant and                                                              
the fertilizer  plant. The two  industries are uniform  consumers,                                                              
he  explained,   and  were  initially   established  by   the  gas                                                              
producers in  order to monetize  their reserves. The LNG  plant is                                                              
still operated  by ConocoPhillips  and Marathon. Unocal  built the                                                              
fertilizer  plant  and  subsequently  sold  it  to  Agrium.  Until                                                              
recently   these   users  have   provided   the   sole  means   of                                                              
backstopping peak  demand days for the commercial  and residential                                                              
users. On cold days,  Agrium and LNG have redirected  their gas to                                                              
Enstar to supply gas for heat.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:42:38 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS said  graph 5 shows daily  gas demand. When  it is cold,                                                              
the  demand for  gas  goes  up. Most  of  the contracts  with  the                                                              
utilities  have incorporated  full  deliverability. The  suppliers                                                              
have promised to  deliver all the gas Enstar will  need on a given                                                              
day,  and embedded  in  the  price is  that  service,  he said.  A                                                              
recent pricing  mechanism tried  to separate  that out.  There may                                                              
be more distinct peak load prices as time goes on.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS noted  that today's  proved,  developed, and  producing                                                              
reserves of  gas are  about 1.65 trillion  cubic feet  (tcf). This                                                              
is DNR's  estimate of  the amount  of gas  that is available  from                                                              
existing  fields without  anymore  investment, including  drilling                                                              
or compression.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:45:01 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS said  that  is about  an eight-year  supply  of gas  at                                                              
today's consumption  rates, which is consistent with  gas reserves                                                              
in  the  lower  48.  "Yet  to  find  gas  represents  undiscovered                                                              
gas…places where  gas is  not going to  be found in  stratigraphic                                                              
plays."  Several gas  fields are  very small  and a  few are  very                                                              
large, and  there is  a large gap  in fields that  are 200  to 500                                                              
billion  cubic feet  (bcf) in  size, he  explained. This  suggests                                                              
that  there   is  potential   for  very   large  new   sources  of                                                              
undiscovered  gas that  could come  on  line given  the price  and                                                              
consumption,  and that  gets back  to the large  funnel filling  a                                                              
small tube,  he said.  It might  be fairly easy  to bring  a 10-30                                                              
bcf field on  line today and be  able to squeeze the  gas into the                                                              
market,  but if  200-500 bcf  are found,  there will  be gas  that                                                              
sits in the funnel unless there are new marketing options.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:47:34 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS spoke  of when Unocal, ConocoPhillips,  and Marathon had                                                              
to  find and  invent a  new  use for  gas to  keep  it from  being                                                              
stranded. Finding  a half tcf  of gas may  be like drilling  a dry                                                              
hole, he  warned. In  the Lower  48, gas  from existing  fields is                                                              
dropping  similarly  to Cook  Inlet.  He  showed  a graph  of  how                                                              
future  gas supplies  will  require  a lot  of  investment in  new                                                              
conventional  fields-"just  plain  looking  through  the  geology,                                                              
finding prospects,  and drilling them in areas where  you have not                                                              
drilled before."  And a portion  of new gas  in the lower  48 will                                                              
need to  come from nonconventional  fields-"this is tight  gas and                                                              
coalbed  methane  mostly." He  noted  that  the market  place  has                                                              
thousands of gas  fields and tens of thousands of  wells, so it is                                                              
a very liquid  market with lots  of producers and lots  of buyers,                                                              
unlike Cook Inlet.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:49:49 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS  said  graph  8,  entitled   Cook  Inlet  Historic  and                                                              
Forecast  Gas Production,  1958-2025,  represents  the cliff  that                                                              
everyone  worries  about.  In  order  to  keep  a  steady  supply,                                                              
something  must   happen,  he  stated.  There  will   have  to  be                                                              
investment in  existing fields, but  drawing on gas  from existing                                                              
fields has  the potential  consequence of  watering out  the well.                                                              
There  could also  be new  discoveries.  And, lastly,  gas has  to                                                              
come  from unconventional  sources  like coalbed  methane, a  spur                                                              
from the North Slope, or imports of LNG.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said the  supply will depend on how the  market responds                                                              
to the  price today  and whether  or not,  in five  to ten  years,                                                              
that market response  will be demonstrated in new  gas, he opined.                                                              
So far there  has been a market  response to rising  prices (table                                                              
9). The  graph assumes  the offering  of every  available  acre of                                                              
state  land  for oil  and  gas  leasing  each  year "on  a  fairly                                                              
routine and  regular basis so companies  are able to  evaluate the                                                              
land before they  make their bids and have an  opportunity to know                                                              
that in  a predictable way  that if they  miss the bid  this time,                                                              
they'll have  another year  hence to try  again." The  tracts sold                                                              
and the bids per  acre have gone up, he added.  The high bids have                                                              
been  pretty good,  and  he referred  to  the  appendix, page  16,                                                              
showing a  bid of $45  per acre. There  is a lot  more competition                                                              
for the lease  sales, he noted.  Graph 10 shows that  something is                                                              
happening in  response to the increase  in prices and  a potential                                                              
for a  new market:  "a place  in the  market for  new gas."  Since                                                              
2000,  there has been  almost a  doubling of  exploration  in Cook                                                              
Inlet, and 80 percent of the wells have been looking for gas.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:54:35 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said gas  storage is another  feature that  is changing                                                              
in  the gas  marketplace,  and  it  relates to  seasonality,  peak                                                              
demand, and deliverability.  The producers have stepped  up to the                                                              
plate,  he noted,  to manage  deliverability  in a  way that  they                                                              
haven't  in  the  past.  With huge  gas  fields,  like  Kenai  and                                                              
Beluga, "where  there was a lot  of gas available by  just opening                                                              
the  valve and  adding  some more  compression,"  now  there is  a                                                              
requirement  to store gas  in the  summer for  use in  the winter.                                                              
There are four storage  facilities, and two are on  state land and                                                              
one is on  federal land. There are operational  challenges because                                                              
when  gas  goes  into  an  exhausted  gas  field  it  is  not  all                                                              
recoverable. Some of  the gas may fall into solution  into oil, or                                                              
"watering out" may occur.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:56:35 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS asked what percentage of gas gets lost.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said he would find  out. Graph 12 represents  a "fairly                                                              
serious  peak-day event"  in 1999,  and the amount  of gas  coming                                                              
out of  the east side  of Cook Inlet  was about 183  million cubic                                                              
feet  (mcf). The  graph shows  that it  has dropped  by about  one                                                              
third,  he explained.  On the  Kenai  Peninsula in  1999, the  gas                                                              
drawn was about  89 mcf, and it has now almost  doubled. The other                                                              
factor, he  said, was  that in  those days  there was no  storage.                                                              
The graph shows  a storage draw  of 55 mcf from the  Swanson River                                                              
and Kenai gas  fields, and it shows  a storage draw of  8 mcf from                                                              
Pretty   Creek.  "So   those  storage   facilities  are   actually                                                              
providing a  service today…and  supplying gas  on those  peak cold                                                              
days  to  make  sure  that consumers  in  the  Enstar  system  are                                                              
getting the  gas that they need."  More of the gas is  coming from                                                              
the east  side of  Cook Inlet now,  he said,  instead of  the west                                                              
side like it was  in the late 1990s. Enstar is  making investments                                                              
to  ensure  that  "the  plumbing  will  facilitate  that  kind  of                                                              
movement of that kind of production…into the Anchorage area."                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
3:59:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS asked about the location of Pretty Creek.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said Pretty Creek  is on the  west side. He  noted that                                                              
53  mcf   of  gas  was  drawn   out  of  KKPL   (Kenai   Kachemak                                                               
Pipeline),  which  represents the consequence of  new developments                                                              
on the  east side of  Cook Inlet. "We  are seeing production  from                                                              
places  that hadn't  been producing  before," he  noted. About  35                                                              
mcf of  gas was diverted  from the LNG  plant during the  event on                                                              
January  9, into  the  local market.  That  is  the importance  of                                                              
having industrial users on the system, he stated.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:00:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS said  the  concerns about  high  prices are  a fact  of                                                              
life, because Alaska  is competing for investments  with the lower                                                              
48, where  the price is  high. The Agrium  plant is shut  down for                                                              
the winter,  and 40 bcf  of gas  a year was  being used by  it. He                                                              
estimates that  is will be  down to 30  bcf because of  the winter                                                              
shutdown.  "So, demand  [for  gas]  is falling  off  a little  bit                                                              
because   the   industrial   use    is   falling   off   and   the                                                              
unavailability,  basically, of  a base-load  supply for Agrium  at                                                              
an  economical  price for  them.  Hence,  their blue  sky  project                                                              
where they  will try to  develop coal gas  as an alternative."  He                                                              
said  Alaska is  faced  with the  question of  how  to respond  to                                                              
ConocoPhillips  and Marathon's  application to  extend the  export                                                              
license through 2011.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:02:00 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR STEDMAN asked  about graph 6 showing the  ratio of proved-                                                              
developed-producing  reserves  to production.  He  asked when  the                                                              
number might become  small enough to stimulate  exploration versus                                                              
no interest when there is no market.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS noted  the relationship of the table on  page 6 with the                                                              
graph on page 10,  which shows the number of wells  that have been                                                              
drilled. In  1995 there  was a growth  in exploration,  suggesting                                                              
that when the  markets got close to an  "R/P [Reserves/Production]                                                              
of 10  years, that  the producers began  searching for  more gas."                                                              
The dramatic  increase  in price  is having an  effect. "It  looks                                                              
like  people  want  to  start doing  something  in  a  hurry  just                                                              
somewhere north of an R/P of 10 years."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:04:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  STEDMAN asked  if  the  access to  credits  from the  PPT                                                              
[profits-based  petroleum production tax  of 2006] will  stimulate                                                              
exploration in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  said access  to  credits  will  be important  to  Cook                                                              
Inlet.  He said  there are  already several  incentives that  have                                                              
been offered to the producers there.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WAGONER  said  there are  other  drilling  incentives  as                                                              
well, and Marathon is taking advantage of them.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:04:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said the  PPT allows  for deducting  expenses not  only                                                              
for exploration, so  the PPT will be valuable  to existing players                                                              
in Cook Inlet.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR STEDMAN  asked if there  is enough  gas out there  for the                                                              
industry to  either find or produce.  He asked if the  bullet line                                                              
and the LNG are red herrings.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:05:58 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS said if  he were exploring he would be  trying to figure                                                              
out how much  those alternatives would cost the  consumer and what                                                              
the competition would  charge for gas and use that  as an estimate                                                              
of his  own economics.  He surmised that  the exploration  in Cook                                                              
Inlet is  fraught with  a lot  less headaches  than the  other two                                                              
alternatives,  which  are  expensive  alternatives,  as  well.  "I                                                              
believe  we have  some  cushion  between what  we  see as  today's                                                              
prices in  the Cook Inlet  and what the  cost of those  sources of                                                              
gas would be,  and so if I can  deliver gas for less  than I think                                                              
a bullet line. I  would start searching for gas in  the Cook Inlet                                                              
to compete with it."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  noted the estimated 1.8 tcf  of undiscovered                                                              
gas and asked  if the correct analysis  is to compare  the cost of                                                              
finding  and bringing  it  to market  to the  cost  of building  a                                                              
bullet line or spur line.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:07:42 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said it  has to do  with the  expectation of  price and                                                              
probability  that the price  would be  yielded. Every  explorer is                                                              
looking at  the odds of finding  gas and the probabilities  of the                                                              
alternatives.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked for a  rough estimate of  drilling and                                                              
exploring versus the cost of a spur line from Glennallen.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said he hasn't done that estimation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGGINS said  there have  been  320 holes  drilled in  Cook                                                              
Inlet, and that  is a small number compared to  like-size areas in                                                              
the lower  48. Should the  state have a  strategy to  find someone                                                              
to "drill holes,"  because the gas is "out there  and all we gotta                                                              
do  is drill  for  it?" Last  year  the administration  looked  at                                                              
putting incentives on the table for Cook Inlet, he noted.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:09:50 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS said  more  incentives are  possibly  needed. There  is                                                              
also  more information,  "if  more  explorationists  could have  a                                                              
handle on  that." But  he is  not sure  what the  state can  do in                                                              
encouraging  commercial arrangements  among  those incumbents  who                                                              
have that data and  those newcomers who need the  data. He said he                                                              
would  like to  examine  that to  "see  if there  is  some way  to                                                              
leverage  more data  into  the hands  of those  who  are eager  to                                                              
spend some money to find gas."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked if he will start working on that.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said it will be one of his goals.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:10:54 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGGINS said  storage  has merit,  and  he asked  if it  is                                                              
based  on industry  initiative  or  if Alaska  has  a strategy  to                                                              
promote it.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS   said  it  is   an  alternative  the   producers  have                                                              
entertained  because  it  offers  an  alternative  to  more  risky                                                              
investments   in   their   own    existing   fields   to   improve                                                              
deliverability. Given  the choice of expanding  the deliverability                                                              
from existing fields  or storing gas, storage is cheaper.  It is a                                                              
natural  consequence  of the  marketplace.  The storage  issue  is                                                              
somewhat exciting because  in every other market in  the lower 48,                                                              
storage  has a  very important  function,  and it  exists at  both                                                              
ends of the market,  he said. There is storage  near the producing                                                              
regions and at the  market place for peak demand  days. Storage in                                                              
Cook Inlet  has the same economical  use, and it  could facilitate                                                              
gas from a spur or bullet line.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:12:51 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS  said the  LNG facility  plays a  similar function.  The                                                              
Nikiski tanks could supply storage for future peak-day use.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked  about state  revenue from the  Agrium                                                              
and LNG plants,  and what they pay  for gas in comparison  to what                                                              
Southcentral consumers pay.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:13:48 PM                                                                                                                    
WILL NEBESKY,  Commercial Analyst, Division  of Oil and  Gas, DNR,                                                              
said  page  35   in  the  packet  shows  the   proceeds  that  the                                                              
fertilizer plant  realizes from the  sale of its product  into its                                                              
market.  The royalty  value used  to be tied  to those  fertilizer                                                              
prices but  not since Agrium's  purchase of the  fertilizer plant.                                                              
He said  he can  tabulate the revenues  from royalty  dispositions                                                              
of gas to  the fertilizer plant,  and "they do tend to  be, today,                                                              
at  the  lower  end  of the  royalty  revenue  spectrum  from  the                                                              
standpoint of  proceeds per unit  of royalty gas  disposition." He                                                              
noted the graph  on page 33, illustrating the  values received for                                                              
LNG disposition  in  Japan and compares  them  with the Henry  Hub                                                              
spot  price  as well  as  the Department  of  Revenue's  published                                                              
prevailing value.  The line shows  the destination value  that was                                                              
received  for LNG  disposition and  is  not the  same as  Alaska's                                                              
royalty value.  "Our royalty  proceeds, in  an important  way, are                                                              
tied to  the destination value,  but we have different  settlement                                                              
agreements   with  Marathon   as  well   as  with   ConocoPhillips                                                              
regarding  the royalty proceeds  tied to  their dispositions  that                                                              
end up being LNG exports."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:17:18 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. NEBESKY said  the blue line that represents  the Department of                                                              
Revenue prevailing  value is  very close  to the weighted  average                                                              
royalty value  that the  state receives  for its combined  royalty                                                              
proceeds  from  all  the  dispositions-both  industrial  and  non-                                                              
industrial. He  said he could  compare the proceeds  received from                                                              
industrial and non-industrial dispositions.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:18:06 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  asked about the difference in  gas price for                                                              
consumers and industrial users.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. NEBESKY  said consumers  are paying about  $6 per  mcf through                                                              
the Enstar system,  and that is pretty close to  the Department of                                                              
Energy estimate  of prevailing value.  "Those values  probably are                                                              
in the  neighborhood of, for example,  the royalty value  that the                                                              
state  receives for  LNG  disposition." It  varies,  but today  is                                                              
"closely  matched   with  the  netback  value  or   royalty  value                                                              
estimate for LNG disposition."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  said he is  asking what ConocoPhillips  pays                                                              
when buying LNG compared to what Enstar consumers pay.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:19:55 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS  rephrased   the  Senator's  question.   "What  is  the                                                              
wholesale  price of  natural gas  when it's  produced by  Marathon                                                              
and  by ConocoPhillips  that is  destined for  LNG and  eventually                                                              
sent to Japan?"  The answer is difficult because  the value Alaska                                                              
receives  for  royalty  is  determined  by  a  royalty  settlement                                                              
agreement  that is  many years  old.  It was  intended to  reflect                                                              
some measure  of the value  of gas when  sold in Japan,  minus the                                                              
cost of getting  it there and transforming it into  LNG and netted                                                              
back  to the  wellhead. ConocoPhillips'  North Cook  Inlet gas  is                                                              
valued at  about half  of the price  it receives  for gas  sold in                                                              
Japan, minus $0.10.  It represents the best indicator  for the net                                                              
back price for the  LNG. He said that is about  what the wholesale                                                              
price is for  consumers. Agrium is paying less  than consumers, on                                                              
average,  and that is  the reason  that it  can exist.  It doesn't                                                              
have  a  peak demand,  he  said.  The  acquisition  of gas  at  an                                                              
economical  price is a  problem for  Agrium and  why it  shut down                                                              
this winter.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:22:16 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS asked about methane in Alaska.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS said  it represents  a  very widespread  source of  gas                                                              
throughout rural  Alaska because coal  and coalbed methane  can be                                                              
found  in a  lot of  places. The  Red Dog  mine has  a license  to                                                              
develop it.  There is potential in  Healy, but it is put  on hold.                                                              
In  the Mat-Su  Valley,  development was  attempted  in an  Alaska                                                              
version of  a residential  area. The  possibility could  have been                                                              
achieved had  the residents been  more receptive. There  are other                                                              
areas  in the  Cook  Inlet that  may  contain  sources of  coalbed                                                              
methane,  but  the most  inexpensive  sources  are near  the  road                                                              
system in the Mat-Su Valley, he opined.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:24:23 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS  said Harold  Heinz said a  spur line  is important.                                                              
Enstar needs a continuous  supply of gas. There is  always a spike                                                              
in known  reserves during an LNG  application. He asked  Mr. Banks                                                              
what Alaska should do to understand its natural gas destiny.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:25:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  BANKS said  Alaska  needs to  move  gas  from existing  field                                                              
reserves  into the  "proved-developed-producing  category, and  we                                                              
need  to find  new gas  in  the Cook  Inlet."  The marketplace  is                                                              
tightly  balanced, but  the market  will  respond to  a growth  in                                                              
demand and to  rising prices as the supply tightens.  Alaska needs                                                              
to  make  land  and  access  available   when  pursuing  plans  of                                                              
development  and exploration  with its lessees  and unitize  these                                                              
prospects.  He added  that Alaska  needs  good, solid  commitments                                                              
from its  lessees to complete  the work  they say they  would like                                                              
to do.  Alaska formed three units  last January that  will require                                                              
a  jack-up rig,  and  Mr. Banks  hopes  "that  these lessees  will                                                              
cooperate and bring  in the equipment they need  to start drilling                                                              
these prospects  and do so  very soon." If  they fail to  do that,                                                              
"we'll  find explorers  that will."  He said  he doesn't know  how                                                              
the PPT will  play out. Marathon has responded  to the exploration                                                              
credits,  he noted.  There are  several existing  fields that  are                                                              
known  deposits of  gas  that have  not  yet  been developed  that                                                              
received a  5 percent  royalty provision several  years ago,   and                                                              
some of that  is now coming on  line as a result of  that. He said                                                              
those  incentives work,  and "we  need to  continue exploring  the                                                              
efficacy of those kinds of credits and tax benefits."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:28:17 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WAGONER   said  Marathon  was  using  credits   that  are                                                              
different from the PPT credits.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked the life of those credits.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER said another 9 or 10 years.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGGINS asked for a prediction from 2005 to 2015.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS said he  predicts a lot more exploration  in response to                                                              
the higher  prices. He said there  were about eight or  nine wells                                                              
drilled per  year and then less  in the past two years.  He thinks                                                              
it will increase.  There are new players that are  very active and                                                              
interested  in   putting  together   a  land  position   to  begin                                                              
drilling.  He  noted  that  Forest   [Oil  Corporation]  has  just                                                              
acquired  a  unit   that  was  recently  approved,   but  Forest's                                                              
position as the  operator may be in question as  it shifts assets.                                                              
But if it does  sell, "let's hope that they find  a customer who's                                                              
going to  be eager to  use that  land."  He  said it will  have to                                                              
meet the commitment  to develop or explore the  unit. Escopeta has                                                              
a unit that needs  a jack-up rig, and once the  rig arrives and if                                                              
it  is sized  right and  others can  use it,  it may  be here  for                                                              
awhile, he said.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:31:17 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS asked about the status of the beluga whale.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said some tracts have  been deferred because  of "those                                                              
kinds  of sensitivities."  A  listing  of  the Cook  Inlet  beluga                                                              
whale  [under the  Endangered  Species Act]  could  have a  future                                                              
impact on what areas will be open to oil and gas activities.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  asked  if  there  are  other  uses  besides                                                              
Agrium and  LNG that Alaska could  put more effort into.  Is there                                                              
another demand or is the gas essentially stranded in Cook Inlet?                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:36 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS said being  stranded was a more serious  problem than it                                                              
is now. "You don't  see R/P ratios of 20 years  anymore, and we're                                                              
down  to something  more  like what  you'd  expect to  see in  the                                                              
lower  48." If  someone  were to  find  half a  tcf  of gas,  then                                                              
something would  happen to  expand the demand,  he said.  There is                                                              
room in the Agrium  plant; it is running at half  capacity when it                                                              
is running. There  is some potential growth in LNG,  but access to                                                              
the LNG is limited  by the owners of the LNG plant.  He noted that                                                              
years  ago there  was talk  of iron  ore reduction,  but all  that                                                              
demand requires  a cheap  price for gas.  He questioned  who would                                                              
look for the gas  if the price is only going to be  $2.00. It is a                                                              
chicken and egg problem, he surmised.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:34:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS asked about bids received and tracts deferred.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. BANKS  said he  thinks tracts  were deferred  for whales,  but                                                              
only four.  In the  one area  where one  could move eastward  from                                                              
the  shoreline,  along  the  Sterling Highway,  there  is  a  fair                                                              
amount  of   activity,  which  should   indicate  that   there  is                                                              
potential for gas  development in the wildlife refuge.  The DNR is                                                              
beginning discussions with the federal government, he said.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:36:22 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR WAGONER  said Swanson River  can be used for  gas storage,                                                              
but  to  get  that   field  opened  up  for  gas   storage  was  a                                                              
horrendous, several-year  process, so it is hard to  work with the                                                              
Kenai  Wildlife Refuge.  It  was to  use  existing structures  and                                                              
wells.  It is  a  major  problem to  get  access to  anything  out                                                              
there, he stated.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:37:34 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGGINS noted  that  the  Regulatory Commission  of  Alaska                                                              
said there  is a  lot of  the phone  activity to  keep gas  in the                                                              
system  for Enstar  during peak  periods. He  asked if  additional                                                              
storage areas should be considered.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:38:25 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. BANKS said more  storage will be needed, or  better use should                                                              
be made  of the  storage available.  The Swanson  River field  has                                                              
five times  the capacity  than is  being used.  He guessed  that a                                                              
half of  a tcf  of gas could  go in  there. There are  operational                                                              
challenges in getting  the gas to come back out  again. The market                                                              
and the  facilities  are at a  crucial balance;  there are  enough                                                              
transmission lines,  interconnects, and storage. In  the very near                                                              
future, three to  four years, a lot of that has  to change. Enstar                                                              
will  be  updating  interconnects  around  Nikiski  and  Soldotna,                                                              
there  will   be  more  storage   on  line,  and   hopefully  more                                                              
deliverability  out of  the existing  fields as  a consequence  of                                                              
meeting those requirements.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:40:14 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGGINS  said in  2005 36  percent of the  gas was  used for                                                              
LNG,  and during  the peak  demand  periods, that  is the  reserve                                                              
that can be kicked in to make Enstar work.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BANKS  said  he  agrees.  The  gas  that  would  normally  be                                                              
consumed  by the plant  can be  diverted to  the Enstar  system on                                                              
cold days--without  substantial consequence for the  LNG to supply                                                              
their contracts. It is an important service, he stated.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WAGONER suggested  hearing from the plant,  because he has                                                              
been  told that  it  has shipped  LNG containers  below  capacity.                                                              
Every problem that is solved creates another one, he said.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:41:52 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGGINS  said  the  future  of  Cook  Inlet  gas  has  huge                                                              
questions since half the population of the state depends on it.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
The Senate Resources Standing Committee adjourned at 4:42:51 PM.                                                              
                                                                                                                                

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